DB:  Anyhow, it is possible to change policy debates. It just isn’t easy and it takes a long time.

Me:  It took a long time to get helio-centrism accepted before the invention of the telescope. After that it took hold rather quickly, and that was with nothing like the speed of communication we have now.

Plus, who really cared about the abstraction of helio-centrism…and who cares about immediately more than doubling their purchasing power as well as simultaneously resolving inflation, proceeding toward a green consumer new deal and also enabling the fiscal funding for the mega projects needed to survive climate change?

Short answer, damned near everyone. Reforms are never universal or stable. Only pattern changes are, and all you have to do is discover the right new insight and its concept.