Neither has a sufficient experience of or appreciation for the fullness of the concept to effectively relate to it, nor the inclusive ethic to incorporate it. This despite the fact Grace as in Gifting is the very foundation of the religionists, and grace as in actual openness to and inclusiveness of all relevant data the foundation of the scientific method. Bias and orthodoxy hide in plain sight all over the place and inhibit knowledge, learning and progress both inwardly and outwardly.