I don’t seem to be getting the interview. Is it archived yet?

Listened to one of the Mark Gauvin interviews and the Paul Grinon one as well. Both of them are very smart men and have obviously done a lot of thinking on the subjects of monetary and economic reform. I have also had some heated conversation with both. Gauvin here until Ellen had to end it as Gauvin got very ad hominem, and Grignon also (can’t recall if that was here or elsewhere).

Gauvin’s obsession with interest as the sole problem is unfortunate and shows how the failure/refusal to integrate ideas etc. can destroy communication and blind one to wider and deeper truthfulness.

Grinon is again also very smart and studied and has a lot more willingness to incorporate/integrate as his opinions have changed over time. However, I recall him telling me in a very hostile fashion that “the gap” did not exist….and then he turns right around and claims his “producer credits” are the answer….even though producer credits are in actuality a form of additional credit…exactly like Social Credit’s individual dividend and are theoretically used to fill a gap….in insufficient individual incomes. Actually Grignon’s producer credits are an attempt to implement a barter or peer to peer economy (despite the fact that the economy is monetary/creditary and the fact that money/credit is a wonderful and imminently useful/fungible tool) Producer credits are much less workable than a dividend both because they require a “buy in” by producers (which is difficult to achieve even under correct conditions in the first place) and because they can expire…which will of course negate any actual and continuing “buy in” by same. From a workability standpoint they are the equivalent of “looking through the wrong end of the telescope”, and attempting to do away with the better, more accurate and more utilitarian tool of money/credit. I think it may come from a libertarian contagion/mindset which hates government and obsesses about inflation and “too much money chasing too little product. The dual dividend and discount mechanisms are not only monetary and so fit seamlessly into the present system, but also go directly to the source of the problem (individual scarcity of incomes) and both eliminate inflation for the individual at retail sale and also completely links money to a product or service (in other words the producer only gets his discounts rebated back AFTER a sale of actual product/service occurs) thus eliminating the fear of “too much money chasing too little product.”

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Just to expand from above. It is a generalization and thus an irrational statement that government/central authority must be tyrannical. This is the libertarian/conservative obsession and fallacy. What is required is a full understanding of the component parts and stepping stones to freedom, a philosophy that conscientiously aligns with freedom and policies that actually align with that philosophy.