Finally a response. Steve Keen: For gods sake Steve, you are an insufferable bore! After you overwhelmed my blog with non-stop posts, I finally agreed with the other active discussants there that you should be removed. Now you’re doing the same thing on my YouTube channel. Do me a favour and start your own bloody channel, rather than burying all discussion on mine beneath your ceaseless comments. I have never been this rude to anyone else in public, but my polite requests to you to control your posting failed on
debtdeflation.com/blogs. So I’m just going to be blunt: set up your own blog/channel and piss off from mine.
My response: Well, that is a curious non-confront of anything and everything I have posted here. If I generally agree with with you on disequilibrium, money, banks and debt as well as your call for a modern debt jubilee because they all reflect the policies and philosophy of Social Credit, you’d think that such “boring” agreements would be interesting to an academic…whose purpose is education and enlightenment.
Look Dr. Keen, as I did on your debtwatch blog and here as well, I have complimented you on your iconoclastic insights. I admire you ,and have commented to others on your site and Mish Shedlock’s site as well to that effect. I’m not interested in some intellectual or philosophical pissing match. I’m interested in education and a resolution of our current crisis so that millions if not billions are not just “dead men walking” in an historically rhyming war in an age of modern weaponry. I’m sure you share those concerns, so let us learn and more securely survive. If you or anyone else is interested in learning about Social Credit theory, here are the urls for the Social Credit google group and a recent book by Oliver Heydorn entitled Social Credit Economics, where I’m confident you can get your questions answered.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/social-credit
http://www.amazon.ca/Social-Credit-Economics-Oliver-Heydorn/dp/1493529765/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1404572125&sr=8-2&keywords=heydorn
Keen’s further response: My point is Steve that you are the worst advertisement for Social Credit it could ever hope to have. I don’t care that you agree with me: I care that you write 10-20 or more comments on every post and bore readers senseless. I’m sorry that you don’t appreciate that yourself, but it’s reality. I’ll only read any Social Credit literature if you don’t post on my sites ever again.
My response: Well, I wish your point was educationally relevant, but it is your right to ignore data and realities if you so choose, even if such data and realities confirm your own research and also take the logical and ethical policy steps to rapidly extricate ourselves from this lingering crisis and finally enable us to have a truly stable economic system. I’d chastise myself for being so concerned, but my dedication to unorthodox economic thinking that confirms what you have so far discovered and more, makes it difficult to suppress the hope that engenders. I invite the curiosity of the curious.
My final response to, I’m sorry, Keen’s petulant non-confront of what I have posted: Upon a night’s reflection I’ve decided to sincerely apologize for any ungracious tone to my recent posts. While its always important to speak truth to power and also to have both a philosophy and a policy the philosophy-ethics must take precedence. Well, onward, upward and elsewhere. Sincere good wishes to professor Keen in his new position and in his researches.
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The following are actually posts I made to Keen’s recent videos and pre-date the above responses of Steve Keen and myself. There are other related posts to other forums interspersed below as well.
Cost is the dynamic, nea second law of thermo-dynamic economic factor upon which Keynesian palliative economics of whatever current or future stripe fails, and with that failure comes the build up of debt, the rule of finance and the the persistence of the unethical nature of economics in that the individual must serve the system instead of the system serving Man….and those are the only things wrong with such economics. Get it?
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There is a third possibility of course. And that is that there is a linear factor in effect that economists simply haven’t recognized yet due to either not looking for it at all or rejecting it because some aspect of current orthodoxy (falsely) says it is not relevant. For instance, rejecting the subset of double entry bookkeeping called cost accounting as merely a static look at the economy….when by its description alone it is actually both a statistical and dynamic look at the effects of the rules and conventions of the costing/pricing system of all commerce….and hence a moment to moment unchanging and elemental look at the deepest and most significant economic factor and reality in the entirety of commerce itself, namely cost.
The real problem with both science and religion is their mutual tendencies toward orthodoxy. The best way to counter that is to recognize the oppositional apparency of physical nature/the Cosmos has both a deeper, a priori reality and also a commonsensical character that applied to one’s self and Life in general…..enables and encourages respect for both perspectives instead of one orthodox viewpoint or the other. This is the spirit of Both/Andness, the personal experience of Grace and transcendence, flow, balance and equilibrium amongst other realities.
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I’m afraid the truth is that current theories of both the DSGE and Disequilibrium variety have nothing but orthodoxy and/or palliative nonsense to offer. Orthodoxy is the signature of the mundane, palliatives are the signature of the timid, confused or overly concerned with academic respect and/or the completely pedestrian mind. What is required is actually looking in the right places where both the statistical and dynamic evidence is laying around in plain sight…and then the guts to proclaim actual policy solutions to the deepest economic problem economics faces. And even if economists do not go there or cannot seem to comprehend the significance of the evidence even if they do….at least they should consider the inexorable and irresistible force of innovation and Artificial Intelligence whose logics of efficiency will result in the absurdity of fantastic productive capability and quite soon, almost no effective demand to purchase that production!!! Economists already have “egg on their faces” I guess rather than actually think a new economic thought they’re all waiting around for it to ferment into excrement. So be it. I will proclaim that ignorance, timidity, failure of intellect and orthodoxy decrepit mindset, and offer businessmen and individuals the hope their mutual self interests in monetary gifting will obviously provide. And then the entire economic establishment will be naked and de-bunked.
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Post made but not posted because of banning on both Shedlock’s and Keen’s blogs: You’re all nascent social crediters, heh, heh. Of course this won’t get to your comments section because you and Keen, the oddest of odd bedfellows, couldn’t stand my little bit of criticism of your mutual orthodoxies so you used the opportunity to ban me within the same day. Fine. I’m actually happy about that. Now I can use the fact of out debating both of you, and your orthodox stupidities and pettiness as a marketing device for launching my own broader and more incisive economic theory. Ta ta. Neither of you has anything other than already invalidated orthodoxy and/or palliative nonsense to offer. Orthodoxy is the signature of the mundane, the cowardly and/or completely pedestrian mind.
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If you were to increase individual incomes and lower prices at the same time you would have the best of both Austrian and Keynesian economics, but that would be Social Credit….we can’t have that!!!!!!
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Post to Ellen Brown’s blog: Labor doesn’t actually create the vast majority of production nowadays…technological innovation and increasingly artificial intelligence does. The logics of both of these factors of production is efficiency of human effort and now even human input. The result is a decrease in the rational need for human labor and hence a continuing diminution of aggregate demand. Neither the Luddite nor the puritan “earn your bread by the sweat of your brow” perspective is a rational answer to this approaching absurdity of abundant production and less and less aggregate demand to liquidate the costs of production, namely prices. And this is why the universal Dividend is the logical supplement to individual incomes and its ultimate replacement. That way we can both escape the tyrannical dominance of Finance Capitalism while maintaining the dynamism and more accurate alocation of resources of profit making systems, while also avoiding the irrational enforced labor tyrannies of socialism when technology does not require much in the way of human labor. Labor still has a very long way to go as a factor in production of course, but increasingly and acceleratingly less, and so in addition to whatver amount of labor remains rational the “job” of the future should be culturally encouraged to be self determined postive and constructive purpose…which has no restrictions like work for pay….and many additional personal benefits as well.
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One does not even have to believe any of the prior post about systemic causes of inflation to understand that a supplement to individual incomes is still necessary, because as external factors like innovation in general and artificial intelligence in particular are ever more rapidly reducing the rational need for human input into the economy….the resulting accelerating diminution of aggregate individual income…all by itself, is making that policy of a supplementary individual income more and more necessary….and urgent.*****************************
Reply to Steven Lesh on Ellen Brown’s forum:
1) 98 %+ of our money is digital/debt.
2) It is very important to distinguish between total money and total INDIVIDUAL income created via the commercial process. Economists generally do not adequately distinguish between the two, and/or understand the significance between the two so far as the scarcity of the latter disequilibrating the economy.
3) Creating digital/Dividend and Discount money cancels debt exactly the same way as more debt money does….except it ISN’T debt money…and so not only does NOT add a cost to the system it also does not necessarily ADD to the total amount of money circulating, especially as it pays off debt.
4) Additional gifts of money like the Dividend, if applied to debt…REDUCES the amount of both debt and money circulating.
5) Money re-circulating in the economy immediately becomes business revenue and hence is subject at all times to the costing/expensing of every cent of it….and hence is NOT individual income, never can be equated with individual income and does not and cannot be used or treated as INDIVIDUAL income without extreme danger of business bankruptcy because it spends money that must be expensed/paid to vendors.
6) Any additional gifted money spent and re-circulated will be either saved first by businesses or used to more easily pay overhead expenses thus making profitability easier, and so within very tight parameters it does not “trickle down to” or add to individual incomes created by such business except as that business expands its operations.
7) Monetary inflation is thus not the driver or the more significant factor in overall inflation, but rather is mostly an effect of the more underlying price inflationary effect of the commercial process itself. Fix the underlying price inflation via a Dividend and a Discount….and the economy will stabilize as a result. There may indeed need to be some regulations to deal with what is done with savings, as I have said many times Social Credit is not the answer to all economic problems…just to the most basic and most significant problem.************************
RWER blog post:
A rigorous philosophy of Bothness (being open to truth on both/any side of an argument) combined with both an equally rigorous philosophy of Integration (seeking to combine and hence ascend to a higher and more inclusive truth) and a dedication to also looking at basics and for essentials (confronting dynamics and discernment) is what macro-economic theory and even more so macro-economic policy actually needs. .
All of the above are actually tenets of Wisdom, and aspects of the natural and personal experience of Grace amongst others such as balance, equilibrium, flow and free flowingness. That there is such conceptual alignment between Wisdom, the appropriate goals of economics and the aspects of the natural and personal experience of Grace is I think, no coincidence. Sometimes both the stars and the truth are aligned, or maybe they always have been…and we’ve just not perceived it…or maybe both.
A macro-economic policy of monetary grace the free gift to individuals, and a continuously balancing and equilibrating general discount on retail prices every cent of which is rebated back to participating retail merchants is perfectly reflective of all of the above, continuously resolves the primary problem of both the economic system and economic theory which is their mutual instabilities, and finally confronts and deals with the laundry list of external factors destroying macro-economic INDIVIDUAL effective demand (globalization, rent, accelerating innovation and even more rapidly accelerating Artificial Intelligence) ….so it turns out integrating both pragmatism and spirituality…is actually the correct and Wise thing to do. Curious, wouldn’t you say?*************************************
Post to Mish Shedlock’s blog: Austrians/Libertarians are so proud of their “realism” characterized by the statement “There ain’t no free lunch.” And yet if even a relatively small percentage of debts were paid back individual income would run out way before the debts did, necessitating what? That’s right, a free gift of money. So why not just skip all of the pain, chaos and risk of war and pay off the a large percentage of the debts that are “un-repayable”? Puritan obsessions with austerity, a punitive spirit of unforgiveness and punishment and a refusal to think anew instead of merely mouthing orthodoxies are the “filthy wrags” of economics as well as of religion, and Grace is about abundance, forgiveness and spirit instead of rules. Connect the dots, align the concepts and consciously experience the definition of the word Grace….and stop standing in the road toward a much, much better world.
The problem with economics currently is you need to integrate both reform and transformation….and there isn’t any transformation even being considered.***************************
We need a Wisdomics instead of a mere economics. It’s so patently clear, despite the fact that suggesting such is the way to get banned or moderated. The world is so awash in orthodoxies of one kind or another that even if one suggests the natural experience of Grace is beyond either scientism or religious dogma one is ignored, decried or referred to as crashingly boring…even if the word grace is defined by such words as flowing, free flowing, balance, equilibrium. Systemically, conceptually and experientially we truly “see through a glass darkly”
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Minsky’s insight is actually just a human frailty and not a true systemic economic insight. As for dialectics, over a year ago I posted a dialectical formula on your debtwatch website that is able to identify the core economic and financial paradigmatic problems, and their Wise, Conscious and valid economic solutions. First the basic formula itself:
[ (D) X (a)G/C/SA ] where (D) is a legitimate opposing, reflecting and or balancing Duality (Duality being the signature of nature and the physical universe), X is the sign for Integration and is actually two upward pointing and intersecting arrows, (a) = an aspect of G/C/SA the NATURAL experience of Grace/Consciousness/Self Awareness.
Here is the formula for the resolution of chronic systemic insufficient aggregate demand, the needed change in the consumer financial paradigm to do so and the resolution of Finance’s unbalanced domination of the economy:
[ (Monopolistic paradigm of Debt Only, Monetary grace-Gifting) X Individual Self Sufficiency/Economic Balance/Equilibrium/Flow ]
So what might constitute transformation in economics? How about direct Gifting to the individual instead of indirect income from work only, all of which is not enough to equal total costs and so total consumer prices except continuous borrowing take place which not only adds cost, but also subtracts from already scarce individual income?
How about instead of trying to live with inflation, a discount to retail prices mathematically derived from the ratio of total consumption over total cost/price statistics for a prescribed period, and which is after the merchant has already found their price and thus it is not manipulative and controlling, and all of which is rebated back to them so they can be whole on their margins and overheads and so the consumer as an individual and the economy as a whole do not suffer erosion of purchasing power or profits due to inflation?
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There is no difference between what Steve Keen says and I say except I have fully integrated the economic thinking philosophically and spiritually …and guided by C. H. Douglas’s engineering and mathematical skill…been able to see the dynamic factor of more costs than Individual incomes simultaneously created as the most basic economic problem to be overcome by policy.
In other words, I have conceptually, consciously, mathematically and more quickly and accurately been enlightened by Douglas while Keen, stuck in the plodding, unconscious and fragmented modern religious biases of using scientism and mathematics only, still has neither recognized the exact problem nor consciously understood that his utterances are generally mimicking the solutions Douglas priorly prescribed.
Now, having said this, am I in any way decrying Science or Mathematics? Absolutely not, I’m foursquare and unequivocally for both. What I am saying however, is that the additional integration of Philosophy and Spirituality, that is Wisdom, into Economics and money systems is a faster, more complete and more whole analysis….because that is what Wisdom is…the ability to see, fully include and integrate all relevant data coupled with its swiftest and most ethically optimal temporal action and/or policy. And not coincidentally I’m also saying that an aspect of Wisdom’s highest integration has also and actually been the historic hallmark of scientific breakthroughs…as well.
So let us have Wisdomics/Graceology/Social Credit….and Wisdom in all of our human systems. It’s the most scientifically advancing, most urgently needed and most ethically correct thing to do.
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The dialectic as explained actually still doesn’t transform either the economy or the society…it just changes it, and change without an ascending element like Wisdom will lead merely to stagnation, randomity and decline. Integration and Transformation have ascending epistemological aspects and effects in human beings. Economics being a human system ought logically to have the same. For instance you can know empirical data, integrate that with abstraction and you’ve got Math, integrate that with ideas/concepts and you’ve got philosophy, integrate that with personal experience and you’ve got spirituality…and then integrate and bind back spirituality with the one thing that is necessary for a truly healthy and integrated human being, Ethics, which is the RATIONAL consideration of morals and a basic sensitivity to both one’s Self and the Other.
[ (D) X (a) aspect of G/C/SA the experience of Grace/Consciousness/Self Awareness ]
[ (Thesis, Antithesis) X Ascension ] The Human/Human Systems Dialectic
Social Credit is “the policy of a philosophy.”
And the idea that you can isolate or ignore ethics in economics is sheer Promethean duncery.
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Douglas was the first disequilibrium theorist. Even with Social Credit’s mechanisms the economy remains in disequilibrium….but it is virtually equilibrated and because the mechanisms are both variable and continuous through Time that virtuality is maintained. It also has the advantage of being Wise in that it recognizes that “We must not let the perfect be the enemy of the Good.” and beyond that it corrects the current and long standing unethical condition of economics where Man must serve the system instead of the system serving Man a la Demon est Deus Inversus.
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You have to brush past uncertainty….and impose certainty. The trick to doing that is to determine the actual and most basic problem and then devising a solution to that problem that fits it….and changes as the rate of change in the problem changes. The most basic problem of economics is a scarcity of individual incomes in ratio to prices. So you increase individual incomes….by giving the individual a direct payment. Then, as the system itself still will tend to create more prices than individual incomes you periodically adjust prices downward via a discount to the consumer.
This may offend those who: irrationally confuse chaos with freedom (Libertarians), are bewitched or beguiled by complexity (Keynesian economists), afflicted with puritanical notions about work (your garden variety moralist), or have an agenda contrary to Gifting (Banks)…..but the engineer’s pragmatic perspective integrated with the ethical idea that the individual should be served by the system instead of the same having to serve an increasingly austere and unworkable system…kinda makes sense to me. Wisdom trumps everything beneath it….which is….everything.
The entirety of the economy has both a cost plus underlying nature discoverable in the statistics of cost accounting AND a supply and demand upward ceiling to prices. Cost accounting is an integrative look at both the static/accounting/financial aspect of the economy and the most deeply embedded, ever present and thus dynamic aspect of Cost. Looking at the cost accounting statistics of any enterprise it is discernable that at any and every moment of an enterprise’s existence the rate of flow of Total costs/prices necessary to be liquidated if the firm is to continue in existence…will always tend to exceed the rate of flow of individual incomes (costs) simultaneously produced with which to liquidate those costs/prices. All theoretical observations of economic problems are subsequent to this reality and are actually only aspects of and/or contributing factors to “the gap”/A + B theorem discovered in Social Credit theory. Thus profit, rent, monetary inflation, human flaw (Minsky) and asset inflation are problems, but actually only effects of the more underlying economic/commercial factor and reality of excess costs in ratio to individual incomes…through Time.
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Correction. Phillips was not the first person to bring the engineer’s perspective to economics. Douglas was an engineer. He was a major engineering architect of the tube postal system in London for chrissake! His policies are the epitome of the engineering attitude of “There’s a problem…let’s fix it! It is telling that you did not know this, and is an indication of just how slandered and buried Douglas and Social Credit, which was a world wide movement before WW II after all, has become. I notice that you did not mention Douglas or Social Credit in either edition of your book so it’s either that he’s been buried and/or your historical bon fides have not yet been established in economics.
Your lack of knowledge of Douglas is curious, as money, debt, banks, disequilibrium and even some of your suggestions for policy like a modern debt jubilee reflect the thinking and philosophy that are at the core of Social Credit’s philosophy and policies. Remember when you told me you would have to study Douglas on your debtwatch site after I told you he was a disequilibrium economist? As I have been saying for quite some time you are a nascent Social Crediter.
Keynes’ and Minsky’s “insights” palliate our economic problems, and as we see with Keynes he/they can and will be brushed aside by Finance whose monopolistic powers would actually be re-balanced by Douglas’s paradigm changing policies.
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To Thomas McCoskey: I don’t have the time or current resources to give you exact quotes, although I could get that information to you. To answer your question though…first, regarding our current stupendous debt overhang, yes, you need the elimination of a large percentage of the private debt to reset the economy and try to head off our plunge toward the kind of economic and political frustrations that will rhyme with history and result in war. After that, as macro policy, you wouldn’t NECESSARILY require that the dividend be used only for debt retirement otherwise you could easily slip into some heavy handed microeconomic control. It must be kept in mind however that the system’s chronic and inherent (that is all on its own) problem is the tendency for the rate of flow of total costs/prices to exceed the rate of flow of total individual incomes. The dividend virtually enables an equilibrium, but the system as a whole will still continue to trundle through time toward de-stabilization. This is why the discount mechanism of Social Credit is necessary…in order to maintain a virtual equilibrium. Now a regulation like one can only take on additional debt service which is say 15-20% of the average monthly Social Credit dividend or something to that effect might be advisable. This would tend to deal with the Banks’ occasional tendency to try to lend money to everyone and their dog’s frigging uncle. And if someone profligately spends their dividend on wine, women and song and/or mismanages their business etc. they’ll have to depend upon the “kindness of friends and family” and/or go bankrupt. Social Crediters aren’t interested in enforcing a utopia, just making the system functional and increasingly abundant for everyone so that the current nightmarish enforced homo economicus system is able to evolve toward the graciousness of Wisdom.
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Economists are still trying to use science and mathematics to understand economics when they need to use philosophy and spirituality because time is running out on profit making systems unless they do so….and likely civilization right along with it. Not that they shouldn’t use science and math concurrently, that’s fine, especially for the less urgent, less significant and more peripheral economic problems, but if we don’t make economics serve humanity instead of humanity having to slavishly serve it we will obviously reap the whirlwind.
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[ (Space, Time) X Self ] Experience of Grace
[ (Philosophy-Thought, Policy-Action) X Wise and Graceful Flow of Mind and Life/Living ] Wisdom
[ (Primary Price Inflation, Supply and Demand) X Inevitable Inflation ] Inflation
[ (A, A + B) X Inevitable Wage Deflation ] Wage Deflation
The dialectic of Grace both naturalizes spirituality and re-sacralizes nature…at the same time! And the truly important thing to take from that fact/realization is that naturalizing spirituality in no way diminishes the awesomeness of the integrative experience itself and in actual fact confirms the vitalizing and primary power of the spiritual aspect of that integration!!!!!!
The dialectic is Trinitarian. There is a material aspect of Trinity and a spiritual one as well, and their integration is again the definition and experience of Grace.
[ (Dialectical materialism, Dialectical Spiritualism i.e [ (Space, Time) X Self ] ) X Integration of material and Spiritual = Grace ] ************************************************************
Minsky’s insight is actually just a human frailty and not a true systemic economic insight. As for dialectics, over a year ago I posted a dialectical formula on your debtwatch website that is able to identify the core economic problem, the financial paradigmatic problem, and their Wise/Conscious and valid economic solutions. First the basic formula itself:
[ (D) X (a)G/C/SA ] where (D) is a legitimate opposing, reflecting and or balancing Duality (Duality being the signature of nature and the physical universe), X is the sign for Integration and is actually two upward pointing and intersecting arrows, (a) = an aspect of G/C/SA the NATURAL experience of Grace/Consciousness/Self Awareness.
Here is the formula for the resolution of chronic systemic insufficient aggregate demand, the needed change in the consumer financial paradigm to do so and the resolution of Finance’s unbalanced domination of the economy:
[ (Monopolistic paradigm of Debt Only, Monetary grace-Gifting) X Individual Self Sufficiency/Economic Balance/Equilibrium/Flow ] *********************************************
The philosophy/theory of value that non-equilibrium economists need to embrace is Integration…itself. And as Wisdom is the integrative process itself….they therefore would be embracing a philosophy/theory of Integration/Wisdom. Find and integrate: the legitimate dualisms, the missing/incomplete/unbalanced dualisms (where the monopolies and asymmetries of power exist), the problematic factors that have always afflicted economics like Time (its dual nature, the lack of actual simultaneous balance in each moment of the flow of Time, of for instance, total effective demand and total prices).
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Excellent iconoclastic expose of DSGE….but when are you going to stop reacting to it and offer an economic theory, philosophy and policies thoroughly integrated with full human nature? You’ve nascently begun to do that as I have pointed out. You just need to finish the job. How many times did I compliment you on your website for your iconoclastic talents in the midst of the delusion of a discipline fraught with orthodoxy? Probably 5-6 times. But you have to transcend the academy eventually. But alas, its already been done. ************************
As I posted on wisdomics.blog : Einstein’s integration of space and Time was actually incomplete and merely an abstract formulation of the true 4th dimension. The 4th dimension includes human consciousness itself as demonstrated by the complete integrated immersion of the individual Self with Space and Time. This state is validated by the reflective alignment of the core experiences of Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity, namely Atman, satori and Grace.
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Mysticism? Indeed, capitalism IS unstable….and the only way it will ever approximate stability and a continuing simultaneity (philosophical concept and natural equivalent aspect of the natural experience Grace) of total individual incomes and total prices…is to integrate policies reflecting the anatomy of equilibrium (+,-) as in an individual dividend (+) and a retail discount to prices (-). And that is Social Credit.
Or we can attempt to embrace the nihilist delusion, characterized if not embodied by the expression TruthIsThereIsNoTruth….and everybody and the system will be happy and just fine. Ironies abound in Life and economics. Remember? ***********************************************************
You can run from an idea, but you cannot hide. Likewise you can have cognitive dissonance about whether or not you value having actual control of the economic system placed in the many hands of individuals by their unextortable sufficient purchasing power money-vote, or leave it in the control of self interested financial elites who benefit no matter whether too much or too little money is made available by them. In other words does your thinking and do your policies align with the system serving the individual…or the individual serving the system. And who administers that freedom is nearly irrelevant in comparison to who or what is being served. When you see that the policies of Social Credit indeed enable, create and maintain the correct ethical conditions in the economy, that is that the system serves the individual….how can one not be for such policies?????????
Neither Keen nor any of the leaders of the economic, financial and political systems can escape from this.
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Reply to any dogmatist: Sorry, the best I can recommend is Grace the philosophy, the policy and the experience. Anything else is the choice of the individual, and I would never deny or try to restrict that, within ethical consideration of course.
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Refusal to integrate the reflecting concepts and human experiences of spirituality, in other words Grace, satori, Atman, balance, equilibrium, the bothness of nature/Duality etc. into economic theory, philosophy and policy….is what turns Disequilibrium theorists into the authoritarian, judgmental and unmoving DSGE like economists.
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Defining, understanding and fully aligning the experience of Grace, as both a natural and yet still powerfully mystical experience, is the beginning of economic breakthrough and cultural and individual renewal.
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Austrian Economics = problem is the solution
Keynesian Economics = solution is palliation
Social Credit = Solutions are the solution and they are recognized via Integration/Wisdom and their reflection in policy
There are particles of truth and untruth in both Austrian and Keynesian theory.
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Accrural accounting, the invention which enables both costs and revenues to appear to be present when they actually aren’t is very poorly understood by economists. Likewise they do not understand the deep significance of cost accounting, where the reality of a scarcity of individual incomes in ratio to even minimal costs/prices is discovered when the rate of flow of total costs of business are shown to be inherently greater than the rate of flow of the cost of individual incomes (a subset of the above total costs) simultaneously produced. Thus understanding the actual realities of costs and revenues is discovered and policies can be crafted to bring actual simultaneity and free flowingness to the economic system….instead of tenacious but false orthodoxies and the historical balkiness and instability of the system.
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To EU facebook post: This is extremely insightful. And it is occurring in areas other than astronomy and cosmology. Economics for instance is in such a state of flux that people routinely look at problems and think they are solutions or state problems but cannot (or dare not) suggest policies that actually align with their thinking…mostly because their minds are either so conditioned by orthodoxy or they are so intimidated by same. The watch words of science, hard or soft need to be: Both and Integrate. Remember Wisdom is the integrative process itself, and Wisdom is precisely what is needed in times of crisis/paradigm change.**********************************
In other words economics being embedded thoroughly in the physical universe is entropic. However, in order for it to be completely human and heading toward an equilibrium it REQUIRES an anti-entropic balancing paradigm to Debt only. Figure it out.**************************************************************
Ellen Brown regarding Japanese/any QE:
Not quite an accurate picture. It’s actually the picture I painted in the CAFR thread. It’s an extremely slow-mo and arduous way to carry the Banks, debt and maintain the elite control of the current system….instead of transforming it with monetary grace the free gift to individuals.
Social Credit: Bringing Economics to Mysticism….That is, the naturalized monetary concept of Simultaneity!
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That’s not true. I’m actually suggesting very clear cut policy mechanisms based on simple mathematical formulas. What I am showing in fact is that philosophically Keen is an unconscious social crediter. Everyone of his statements and policy suggestions can be completely aligned with what Clifford Hugh Douglas said 90+ years ago except that Douglas went even further because he recognized the actual cause for why it was a necessity to continue borrowing until our debts become “un-repayable”, namely that systemically, and even in the normal and unfettered operation of the economy “the rate of flow of prices exceeds the rate of flow of individual incomes.
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Thankfully not everyone has to completely understand the economic and monetary systems for such policies to become implemented. All that really needs to happen is for them to understand that the current system is enslaving and both their own freedom as well as the greater freedom of virtually every enterprise is bound up in receiving a gift. Hopefully the Keens and Krugmans of the world will overcome their own orthodoxies and determine that the basic unethical fact that the individual is chained to the current system instead of set free by it MUST be inverted. There are literally billions of slaves and a mere handful of masters, most of which are probably well meaning and unconscious of the true enslaving nature of the current system, so all that really needs to happen is for a Keen or Krugman to “see it” and then have the guts and ethical fortitude to become the authority that everyone rallies behind. Then they can give credit to C. H. Douglas and me for enlightening them when they receive their Nobel Peace prize for Economics.
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Acting with Love even in the confusing midst of paradox is the essence of the ethos of Grace, and the experience of Grace is the only thing that clarifies paradox.*********************************
What Keen and every other economist needs to do is overcome their own scientism. They plod along figuring and figuring, never having the confidence or the integrative inclination to combine truth and so come up with a greater and deeper one. Never mind that the hallmark of both Wisdom and scientific breakthroughs is just such integration. Orthodoxies abound in an allegedly confident scientific age, and consequently allow oppressive power to hide in plain sight. I’m foursquare for science, but can’t we finally begin to integrate science, Wisdom and economic theory? Just ditch both the traditional religiosity and the modern bias of scientistic religiosity and focus on policies that accurately and actually reflect the meanings of directness, equilibrium, balance and flow….all of which are aspects of the word Grace by the way….and let the philosophical sophomores chitter and chatter away. The world will better reflect our abundant productive capabilities and people will have the opportunity to deal with the problems of abundance instead of those of scarcity and austerity…all within profit making economic systems. What say ye?**********************************
Keen is basically a nascent Social Crediter. Douglas nailed disequilibrium, money, banks and debt 90+ years ago. Even Keen’s call for a modern debt jubilee is a nascent, reflection of the Social Credit mechanisms of a directly distributed dividend and a discount to prices. Minsky’s “ponzi finance” is more mere human flaw than systemic economic insight. Douglas’s actual and more deeply embedded systemic insight that the rate of flow of prices will always tend to exceed the rate of flow of individual incomes resolves and supplants all of the confused and shallow flux that has characterized economic theory both before and after Douglas******************
Reply to someone on Ellen Brown’s forum: While I admire your efforts and acknowledge that they are in the right area, the right direction and with the correct intention Social Credit is already about personal credit. The word social in Social Credit denotes both individual and aggregate incomes. It is also about direct distribution as opposed to re-distributive socialistic mechanisms which do not add any additional costless income which is the solution…instead of palliative “solutions” such as Keynesian governmental stimulus, a loan only monetary paradigm and/or individual income derived via the inefficient and equally costly route of commerce where capital costs are factored into consumer prices but labor/individual costs (that is individual incomes) are never created at an equal rate of flow as total costs which keeps the system out of phase and out of free flowingness….and the only way countenanced by the financial system to keep the economy out of a deflationary spiral is to build up more and more debt which of course incurs additional costs. More costs than incomes with which to liquidate them. That is the Social Credit insight, and monetary grace the free gift to the individual is its solution.
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Reply to Ellen Brown’s list: I’m sorry, but you’re all nascent social Crediters. Of course student loans could be paid off, but the entire economy could become solvent and functional as it is merely theorized to do now….but actually isn’t…if you’d just issue a continuing variable dividend and discount. There IS a gap. The money system is digital. A dividend (+) cancels out the (-). Then the discount mechanism compensates for any circumstantial excess costs plus the excess costs that normally accumulate through time and in addition to those costs cancelled by the dividend. (No matter that the dividend creates a virtual equilibrium…the system will still tend to create excess costs right along) But with the dividend and discount mechanisms debt will not build up and equilibrium can be maintained. Oh, and not coincidentally the individual will be freed economically instead of being enslaved by the system as per now….and the dividend can logically replace the wage as the external factors of innovation and artificial intelligence acceleratingly reduce aggregate demand.
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Economics is the non-Wisdom discipline. Wisdom being the ability to integrate relevant data and then act/create policy upon it in the most effective and ethical way possible. Neither DSGE nor Disequilibrium theorists, being fragmented/thoroughly stuck in one kind of orthodoxy or another, are up to Wisdom/actual and confident policy pronouncement. The concept of grace (not its oft attending religious idiocies) being the pinnacle of Wisdom is not only the only human concept above orthodoxies of any kind, three of its many aspects are balance, equilibrium and flow…which coincidentally are the three holy grails of economic theory. Hoping that this helps reduce cognitive dissonance and bring clarity so that consistent policies become apparent. The wise are patient, even with “crashing bores”.
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To RWER blog, Peter Lawford:
“Are we not?”
Yes YOU are, informed by the concept and NATURAL not necessarily religious experience of Grace. (but not excluding those who chose to perceive it that way…as that would be anti-democratic)
Grace/a systemic economic policy reflecting Grace is the only thing that can be a part of the temporal/economic universe and still effectively and virtually resist its multitudinous imperfections. And even if personal or economic imperfection occur, as they inevitably will, the variable mechanisms of economic equilibrium that is + and – distributed DIRECTLY to the individual and not via an enterprise first, will restore Grace/Equilibrium. Of course government must also be philosophically aligned with concept of Grace because its policy mandates effect everything and everybody. Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium is dead. Long live Dynamic Stochastic Gracious Equilibrium.
Can you or someone please get me off moderation? Somewhere along the line someone has mistaken me for a religious crank, (admittedly not altogether hard to do as I am forced to use traditionally religious language to point at philosophical and policy needs) however, as I am as religiously agnostic as one can possibly be it does not fit me. And as both economics and politics require a concept and ethos that raises them above their present mereness, intellectual fragmentation and authoritarianism so that they can actually serve the individual instead of oppressing he/she…my moderation is actually philosophical oppression. I’d appreciate it.******************************
Reply to Jim Schroeder about his graphing the Gap:
This looks to me to be a fruitful line of research. It shows scientific “falsifiability” in that there are times when the gap is actually not present (but only in times of extreme or extrardinary circumstances) and yet also shows the long term and general instability of the economy…unless of course monetary grace in the form of a dividend and discount enable and maintain an equilibrium. It solidifies the scientific/Duality bona fides of A + B and in so doing also enables one to see that the concept and policy of Grace in the formula
Duality an ethic of Grace
( (Debt/Monetary grace) X T/G )
is simultaneously both the cause and the effect….in fact the PRIMARY cause of equilibrium because it is both in the duality and the Trinitarian part of the formula. I think it also helps point at the validity of a philosophy and ultimately a spirituality of Trinitarianism/Grace or what I have called Both/And Primaryness which is a statement that both physical and non physical reality are indeed real and necessarily to be respected/considered and yet the primary and unitary reality of Trinitarianism/Grace is an even deeper one.******************************************
Jim and Oliver,
I can’t help but believe that Social Credit requires a two track strategy that appeals to both self interest and the most edifying aspects of the concept and experience of Grace. Grace, either the concept, the ethic, the personal experience or the policy IMO cannot by definition be cheap or unethical. Even if someone become allegiant to the concept of a dividend for the grossest of materialistic motives he/she still participates in a movement for a policy which will create individual economic freedom and increased time to enjoy it and be freed from the insecurity that probably was the major factor in his/her decision to ally with it. ***************************************************************
To Big Think forum: The state both the meditator and the drug experimenter are seeking is the experience of Grace and not any of its attending orthodoxies. Meditating on/contemplating the various aspects of Grace leading to its actual experience is much more important than the attribution of its origin.*****************
Not all cranks are actually cranks. If the crank says that orthodoxy itself is the problem, and that there is a primary problem (a monopolistic loan only paradigm in consumer finance) that if resolved has transformative effects on the economy by actually establishing duality and virtual equilibrium which are the signature of nature….then the current theoretical orthodoxies are indeed the cranks and authoritarians. **********************************