As in never ending/eternal (fractal),  pervasive/omnipresent (holographic) and both micro/macrocosmic (complete)

As Grace is bothness and flow, and Time is both each moment and the flow of each moment, Time is Grace. And as we cannot escape Time while we are incarnate…Grace is thus ever present while we are incarnate. And after we drop this mortal coil we are re-united with Grace, as Grace is also eternal.

Let us have financial subsidiarity instead of monopolistic dominance, philosophical grace as in abundance instead of austerity and leadership instead of “finger in the wind” political half assery. Demon est deus inversus after all.

I don’t seem to be getting the interview. Is it archived yet?

Listened to one of the Mark Gauvin interviews and the Paul Grinon one as well. Both of them are very smart men and have obviously done a lot of thinking on the subjects of monetary and economic reform. I have also had some heated conversation with both. Gauvin here until Ellen had to end it as Gauvin got very ad hominem, and Grignon also (can’t recall if that was here or elsewhere).

Gauvin’s obsession with interest as the sole problem is unfortunate and shows how the failure/refusal to integrate ideas etc. can destroy communication and blind one to wider and deeper truthfulness.

Grinon is again also very smart and studied and has a lot more willingness to incorporate/integrate as his opinions have changed over time. However, I recall him telling me in a very hostile fashion that “the gap” did not exist….and then he turns right around and claims his “producer credits” are the answer….even though producer credits are in actuality a form of additional credit…exactly like Social Credit’s individual dividend and are theoretically used to fill a gap….in insufficient individual incomes. Actually Grignon’s producer credits are an attempt to implement a barter or peer to peer economy (despite the fact that the economy is monetary/creditary and the fact that money/credit is a wonderful and imminently useful/fungible tool) Producer credits are much less workable than a dividend both because they require a “buy in” by producers (which is difficult to achieve even under correct conditions in the first place) and because they can expire…which will of course negate any actual and continuing “buy in” by same. From a workability standpoint they are the equivalent of “looking through the wrong end of the telescope”, and attempting to do away with the better, more accurate and more utilitarian tool of money/credit. I think it may come from a libertarian contagion/mindset which hates government and obsesses about inflation and “too much money chasing too little product. The dual dividend and discount mechanisms are not only monetary and so fit seamlessly into the present system, but also go directly to the source of the problem (individual scarcity of incomes) and both eliminate inflation for the individual at retail sale and also completely links money to a product or service (in other words the producer only gets his discounts rebated back AFTER a sale of actual product/service occurs) thus eliminating the fear of “too much money chasing too little product.”

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Just to expand from above. It is a generalization and thus an irrational statement that government/central authority must be tyrannical. This is the libertarian/conservative obsession and fallacy. What is required is a full understanding of the component parts and stepping stones to freedom, a philosophy that conscientiously aligns with freedom and policies that actually align with that philosophy.

The human mind, like matter, is infinitely fragmentable and compartmentable. This is why people can have diverse and even contradictory political, economic and monetary opinions. This is kind of a two edged sword in that differences of opinion can lead onto genuinely new thinking (but only if the philosophical underpinnings of that new thinking are consistent and thoroughgoing which marks the difference between a crank and the innovator or even a visionary) or lead to cognitive dissonance on the scale of an entire society as we’ve all been noting in discussing Bill’s post. The latter mindset and mental habit also tends to degenerate into continual contentiousness as in Democrat/Republican, Tory/Labour etc. and which also ends up with one or the other side declaring TINA and trying to enforce their reality on everyone. The “trick” in avoiding this scenario is integration/the integrative process itself which consists of combining only the particles of truths, workabilities and applicabilities in both opposing ideas, theories etc. and not trying to enforce any of the untruths, unworkabilities or inapplicabilities of either side which only ends up throwing the entire process back into inevitable contentiousness/mere duality as in the political party situations as per above. Finding an actual solution to problems consists of this integrative process of opposing ideas, theories etc. and which leads to a third and more unifying condition. People can see this as correct and the actual process, but what is most difficult is overcoming/deciding on the importance of the ethical superiority of such integration over opinion or involvement with personal agenda of power and/or control. And this is why a thoroughgoing linguistic/psychological/philosophical unity is so important…because it clarifies and focuses one’s understanding while simultaneously raising the ethical nature of the debate.

Two inverted equilateral triangles within a circle is both a fractal pattern and a symbolic representation of the Cosmic Code which is:

[ (1 x 1′) x 1″ ]

Fractal images begin about 16:00

An integrated duality (two triangles) within a third and unified reality. (a circle). The twin triangles are also symbolic of the underlying triangle/trinitarian, self awareness, consciousness, Grace nature of apparent duality/physical universe reality.

The natural experience of Grace is trinitarian in nature and component as in:

[ the complete integration of self awareness/consciousness and (Space and Time) ]

This in turn is an expression of the Cosmic Code as in the complete integration of Wisdom/the integrative process itself and Ethics/sensitivity to both self and others

[ (Wisdom/integrated Duality/integrative process itself) x Ethics ]

The completeness and seamlessness of integration(s) is continuous as in flowing.

As Grace is a completely integrated process and a flow/flowing of Space, Time and Self Awareness/Consciousness it is spacial, and as fractals are ever repeating micro and macro patterns Grace as a factor is fractally relevant both micro-cosmically and macro-cosmically and holographically as well. Grace as in interpenetration is its holographic aspect, and monetary grace as in the free gift is the interpenetratively  fungible, holographic monetary factor in the economy.

Technology changes economic conditions…for humans, which unbeknownst to most theorists have been perpetually neglected if not entirely abstracted out of their theories. This is why theories are devilishly inaccurate and unsatisfactory. Now, if you had a system that was based on the absolute economic freedom of the individual, the free flowingness of the system and the ultimate natural, psychological, flowing experience of homo sapiens…as policies….you might get somewhere with all three.

And we all know what those policies are, don’t we.

The difference between what we can observe and what is, both macro and micro-cosmically, is vast, utterly vast. Nature is what is. What we can observe is an abstraction from that isness. What we see is temporal reality, what actually is may be something altogether different and/or additional.

Truth is logical consistency, but philosophical/conceptual alignment is a level above mere logic.  Likewise spiritual alignment, natural or otherwise, is a level above  the conceptual, and the integration of the various aspects of the primary concept/experience is another level up.  Finally,  making that primary concept/experience and its various aspects a generally accepted idea makes it a paradigm which can become an Ethic and a Zeitgeist.

As Grace/Consciousness is Integrated Bothness and Integrated Bothness/Andness/Oneness (both Integrated Duality/Wisdom/ the integrative process Itself and Trinity-Unity/the process of Ascenscion) it is completeness, comprehensiveness, pervasiveness and highness/ascension. It is the outside concentric circle as well as every circle within that outside one.  Thus it is logic, philosophy, spiritual alignment, aspect integration, paradigm, ethic, zeitgeist and so  the totality of Truth.

Grace/Consciousness is everything and every activity, in everything and every activity at one conscious level or another.  It is all a matter of conscious integration and experiencing it as so.